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Paired journaling experiment, seven-day results

Started by BramSignal · member 29 replies 559 views latest Anika_Resonance · May 09
BS BramSignal Member · since Jun
BramSignalApr 20 · 09:05#1

Posting this as a field report, not a finding. A friend and I wanted to try something small and honest: seven days of paired journaling. Same evening sit, roughly the same time, ten minutes of Janus Mudra each, then straight into a diary before we spoke to each other. No comparing until the week was done. The idea was to see whether anything overlapped that we hadn't set up in advance.

Ground rules we set ourselves, so you can judge how loose this was:

  • Separate rooms, separate houses actually — she's in Castlemaine, I'm in the Northern Rivers.
  • No texting about the sit until Sunday. We literally muted each other for the week.
  • Write the diary within five minutes of finishing. Words, images, a colour, a body note — whatever turned up.
  • One of us (me) collated at the end so neither of us was "matching" as we went.

Here's the honest tally. Seven nights, day by day:

  • Night 1. Nothing shared. She wrote "restless, gave up early." I wrote "warm left palm, quiet." No overlap.
  • Night 2. We both used the word green. Mine was "green like pond water," hers "a soft green, mossy." Could be the season. It's very green here right now.
  • Night 3. Both mentioned a low horizontal line in the visual field. Hers "a shelf," mine "a horizon that wouldn't tilt." This is the one that made us keep going.
  • Night 4. No overlap I can defend. She wrote about her grandmother; I wrote about being cold.
  • Night 5. Both noted the sit felt "shorter than it was." Timers said otherwise. Weak, but we both flagged it.
  • Night 6. The word hum appears in both, but honestly that word turns up in half the posts on this board, so I'm discounting it.
  • Night 7. A bird. She heard one and wrote it down; I saw one at the window and wrote it down. Almost certainly coincidence — birds are everywhere at dusk.

So: out of seven nights, one overlap I actually can't explain away easily (the horizontal line, night 3), two soft ones (green, "shorter than it was"), and the rest is noise or seasonal. I want to be clear I'm not calling this contact. I'm calling it "two people wrote diaries and a couple of words rhymed." Posting the method so people can pull it apart. What would you have controlled for that we didn't?

Edited Apr 20 · fixed the night 5 timer note
JG JuniperGlass Member · since Sep
JuniperGlassApr 20 · 13:48#2

Love that you collated at the end rather than as you went — that's the bit most of these experiments skip. The night 3 line is interesting to me because a flat horizontal that "won't tilt" is such a specific thing to write twice. But I'd want to know: did either of you talk about horizons or planes in the days before you started? Priming is the obvious culprit.

BS BramSignal Member · since Jun
BramSignalApr 21 · 08:12#3
JuniperGlass wrotedid either of you talk about horizons or planes in the days before you started?

Fair, and I can't fully rule it out. We both read the same intro material months ago, so "plane" and "horizon" are baked into how we describe things. That alone probably nudges us toward the same vocabulary. Which is exactly why I only really trust the line because of the tilt detail — we both wrote that it stayed level when we expected it to move. That's a more specific note than just "horizon."

AR Anika_Resonance Member · since Jul
Anika_ResonanceApr 22 · 20:34#4

Two things. First, seven nights and two of you is a tiny sample — I know you said that, but I want it stated plainly so nobody skims this and repeats it as a result. Second, the "green" one I'd drop entirely. It's April, you're both surrounded by green, and green is one of the most commonly reported colours in any relaxed eyes-closed state. That leaves you basically one interesting data point, which is honestly a fine outcome for a week.

SG SaffronGate Member · since Aug
SaffronGateApr 24 · 11:19#5

Something worth naming: when you know the goal is "find overlaps," your eye finds them. I do this myself — I'll read her "shelf" and my "horizon" and feel a little jolt, and the jolt feels like evidence. It isn't. It's confirmation bias arriving on schedule. Not saying nothing happened. Saying the feeling of significance is the least reliable instrument in the room.

LM LarkMorning Member · since Feb
LarkMorningApr 26 · 18:02#6

This is such a lovely careful post though. Even if it's all coincidence, the discipline of writing before you speak to each other is worth it for its own sake. I might try it with my sister. If nothing overlaps, that's still seven diary entries I wouldn't otherwise have.

TB Theo_Between Member · since Nov
Theo_BetweenApr 29 · 07:41#7

Worth flagging the terminology here, bc the Meridian papers are actually careful about this distinction and we usually aren't. They separate correspondence — two states that happen to share features — from contact, which implies a channel between them. What Bram has is, at most, correspondence: a couple of shared features across paired records. Nothing in the method could show contact, and I don't think Bram is claiming it does.

To be clear I'm citing the Institute as the source of the vocabulary, not because they endorse a word of this. They'd file the whole experiment under "anecdote" and they'd be right to. But the vocabulary is genuinely useful for keeping ourselves honest. If we all said "correspondence" instead of quietly meaning "contact," half the overclaiming on this board would stop.

BS BramSignal Member · since Jun
BramSignalApr 30 · 09:26#8
Theo_Between wroteWhat Bram has is, at most, correspondence: a couple of shared features across paired records.

Yes — "correspondence, at most" is exactly the ceiling I'd put on it. Editing that into how I talk about it going forward. Thank you.

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KM KestrelMay Member · since May
KestrelMayMay 06 · 21:50#26

Coming late but wanted to add a small design tweak for anyone repeating this: seed a few "decoy" nights where you deliberately don't sit, and still write a diary. If your overlap rate is the same on decoy nights as on practice nights, you've learned something honest — probably that two friends in the same season just write similar diaries. That's the control I'd add before I read anything into a horizon line.

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Tom ArdenMay 08 · 06:33#28

This is one of the better threads we've had in this room, and I want to say why rather than just leave a gold star. Bram posted a method, tallied honestly, discounted his own weakest overlaps before we could, and accepted the "correspondence at most" ceiling without a fuss. That's the whole game.

One caution as this gets read by newer members: a single unexplained overlap across a two-person week is a prompt to run it again with KestrelMay's decoy nights, not a result to carry into another thread. If I see "there's evidence for paired correspondence" appear somewhere down the line citing this, I'll come and gently undo it. Correspondence is not contact. Small samples mean little. Keep it exactly this careful and this room stays worth reading.

AR Anika_Resonance Member · since Jul
Anika_ResonanceMay 09 · 10:14#29

Signing off this one having changed my mind slightly — not on the result (still basically noise) but on the value. I'd start the decoy-night version with someone next month. If nothing separates practice nights from decoy nights, that's the finding, and it's a good one. Thanks for doing it out loud, Bram.

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